Patch, League of Women Voters Invite Roskam, Coolidge to Candidate Forum

Tom Koz September 21, 2012 at 04:19 am

Resident 225 and Steve Novy: 1st, it says Promote the general welfare NOT PROVIDE !! 2nd, this Country is over $16 Trillion in DEBT. Do you not get it??
How do you two feel about passing all of that debt onto your kids, grand kids and great grand kids? They didn't ask for it and have absolutely no say in it?? Is THAT fair?? And stop with all this "fair share" crap all ready. The top 10% of wage earners pay well over 70% of all the federal income tax. The bottom 47% pay NO federal income taxes. Sound fair to you?? Also, MOST of these federal do/feel good programs were not even around 60-70 years ago. Tell me how in the heck this country and all of the people survived without them?? You people have NO Clue. The federal government has run amok and is out of control.

Paul September 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm

At the end of the day, we all have our opinions and views. We all will never agree on every topic. It so sad to me that when you say the bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, you are including the military. I ran a small business many years ago. It is hard, no doubt about it. But hey, life is tough all over. And maybe you and a group of you should go back 60 or 70 years ago. Experience it first hand. A lot of obama haters and paranoid people claiming he is against the constitutuion. Like I said, IQ's are slipping in our country. To much hate because your ideaology is different. There use to be a thing back in the day called meeting someone halfway. That is no longer true in congress. And as for the small business, I folded tent and became something else. But I did not whine about my fair share of taxes!!! And I offered my employees a health plan. Was not a great plan but a simple hospitalization policy. The knife cuts bothways people. The 16 trillion dollar debt is not because of Welfare!!! Welfare is a part of it but not all of it. Unbelievable.

McCloud September 21, 2012 at 01:04 pm

Hey Einstein, the reference to welfare in the Constitution is not the same thing as the Welfare program started in the 1960s.

Paul September 21, 2012 at 01:34 pm

Gee, thanks mccloud. And thanks to the einstein thing. I admit though, not quite as smart as einstein, but the ole IQ much higher than old GWBushes. Have a good day peoples. And Mccloud. Lighten up!!!

Resident 225 September 21, 2012 at 03:57 pm

Tom Koz - I have a clue just a different perspective than yours. I don't think "fair share" is crap. Also, such statements like the bottom 47% pay no income tax is probably an exaggeration.

Patrick Henry September 21, 2012 at 05:04 pm

Last thing we need in DuPage County, another hardcore progressive as this Ms. Coolidge would appear. Progressive…just another word for leftist insanity. Recently escaped Chicago having had a family presence for over 100 years. Witnessed 1st hand what this wonderful notion called "progressivism" can and will do to a city. Chicago's insanity is already encroaching the Western burbs, don't let them gain a larger foothold!

Patrick Henry September 21, 2012 at 05:06 pm

If now is not the time to be angry, there will never be one!

Steve Novy September 21, 2012 at 11:18 pm

The Constitution provides the framework, not the program. That is left for each generation of Americans to decide by our votes. If one is not happy with majority rule, one can use their powers of persuasion to build a minority into a majority. Good luck in November.

Steve Novy September 21, 2012 at 11:37 pm

Sorry to find that you are still angy, McCloud. I do so appreciate your level of understanding. From your surname I might perhaps assume that on your paternal side you are Irish. If so, then we might something in common. On my maternal side, I'd be part of the Concannon clan. They were immigrants in the 1840's. Perhaps some of your ancestors immigrated. If they were Irish, they suffered greatly when they arrived in this country because the founding fathers. Since most of the founding fathers had British ancestry many of them shared great disdain for the Irish. And, since they felt the Irish were inferior, they passed the first immigration laws designed to keep our undesirable ancestors out. Really knowing our history can be humbling and amusing at the same time. I wonder if the British became more like us or we became more like them. That was Rhetorical. Although they were great men, I'm so glad we've progressed beyond the vision our founding fathers had for this country. You and I would still be unwelcome.

Steve Novy September 22, 2012 at 12:10 am

Good evening Tom. Thanks to the Patch for this forum of civility! We may be in some small agreement here, Tom. Agreed that the Constitution provides the framework for the promotion of general welware. Within that framework a law has been passed and determined to be Constitutional that we be required to insure our health care. You can pick a private plan. The government is NOT going to PROVIDE the health care. The government is going to require that WE INSURE our cost of health care so that the uninsured will cease to be a burden to society. I've spent my lifetime in finance. Cost is cost. It doesn't go away just because you don't want to pay it. It is either insured or uninsured. If uninsured, one goes BK and passes the cost on to creditors like hospitals and health care providers. Is that fair? The cost is always absorbed somewhere in the economy. It doesn't go away because you don't want to pay for it or you don't want to insure it. When the uninsured get a catastrophic illness, they pass the costs to others. As to 'fair-share", I won't begrudge your greater share if your catastrophic illness is bigger than mine. Back in the 'good-old-days' people didn't survive. They just died from lack of care, went BK or their families picked up the doctors' bills and the economy they effected suffered loss. We're lucky to be alive today as this more civil society learns how to better care for each other. Screw the "screw-you" attitudes of yesteryear.

Steve Novy September 22, 2012 at 12:15 am

Good point about the military, Paul. You are so right. I ran a small business too and although providing health care is difficult for small business, I also did so...even maternity benefits!

Steve Novy September 22, 2012 at 12:47 am

The founding fathers were certainly great men to be revered, but we shouldn't deify them. The original bill of rights protected only white males. The first immigration laws were designed to keep out the Irish. We had to fight a civil war to secure freedom for peoples of color. Women didn't get property or voting rights until 1918. All the preceeding were accomplished with much influence from Christian politicians and church leaders.
With regards to today's economic indicators that are a consequence of the Bush era economic collapse, I opposed the Bush income tax decrease (which benefitted me personally) because it was going to increase the deficit. That shortage compounded over time. I also opposed the 'off-the-budget' knee-jerk reactionary move into the war in Iraq which pushed this country over the fiscal edge. I wish those who supported it would pay that cost and spare me the expense, but we live in a democracy so I'll grudgingly pay the taxes to make up for the deficits. Lastly, since you claim to fully support the founding fathers, are you therefore also opposed to a standing army?

McCloud September 22, 2012 at 10:52 am

It's obvious to me that you have disgust towards our country, so I will not continue in that direction. Your statements regarding tax cuts have no merit. You mention that you will grudgingly pay the taxes to make up for the deficits, is that what the goal here is? After all these years in our history, Obama will somehow obtain more revenue (False premise) and decide that he will pay down our debt? He will take your tax money and actually put it towards lowering the national debt? And somehow the economy will improve as Obama takes money out of the private sector, resulting in higher consumption, investment, productivity and employment How does this magic work?

Paul September 23, 2012 at 09:51 am

Mccloud, you have to pay down the debt!!!! And you have to start somewhere. Obamas plan is to incease the taxes and cut loopholes for the top 2%. Romneys plan is, well we don't know for sure because the chicken sh-t he is, has not said it, but people in his party are thinking anyone with incomes from 131,000 to 350,000 will be hit the hardest. They say we will lose are mortage deductions. Either your in the top 2% or you are one of these people who rack up credit cards and never pay them off because its your logic we do not have to pay off debt? Explain to me that when he asked the congress and senate to cut programs and the republicans turned theres in, a ton of farm subsidies were not in the cuts? Well, it so happens that 5 of the republicans in congress owned the farms and said, no way. Cut someone else. Typical. Lead by example punks!! I love this new term progressive, Some ultra conservative nut job came up with it most likely. No, Roskam and any republican will not get my vote. They have done nothing to help us but make it worst the last 12 years . But they blame it on the black guy. You must have missed the news the night they had Cantor and Boehner on tape state that there mission was to block everything this man tried to do. We have been held captive by these 2 republican morons. And GW really screwed us. And those are facts BOY!!! Oh, thats right, you don't believe facts.

RidgewayVol September 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm

Giving to the less fortunate is right thing to do. I just don't like being told to do so through an inefficient organization like the federal government. No one would donate to a charity that ultimately gives only half of its donations to intended recipients. It feels much better to donate time and money to an organization where you can see the immediate impact. Serve a meal, see a smile. And actually, the more I make, the more I give, and NOT for tax deduction purposes.

Tom Koz September 24, 2012 at 05:45 am

Pay down the debt? How can this country pay down it's debt when Obama / the Democratic Party believes that the taxpayers should pay for Sandra Fluke's (sp) birth control?? Or somebody else's cell phone? Or $500 Million to Solyndra???? What the heck is wrong with you people?? Your kids/grandkids are going to have to pay for this. Have you no shame????

Tom Koz September 24, 2012 at 06:00 am

Anybody that voted for Obama, or is thinking about voting for him again, how can you sit across the dinner table and look at your kids knowing that the policies Obama has put in place added over $6 TRILLION in debt on their heads??? Tell your grandchild it is his/her responsibility to pay for somebody elses' birth control, cell phone, food, clothes or what have you!!
Don't get me wrong I am ALL FOR charity and giving. But how/why are you allowing your kids/grandkids to be enslaved???

Paul September 24, 2012 at 08:15 am

Dude, I sit accross the tablefrom my kids and tell them that the guy before obama added 10 trillion. Memory loss? Did you hear Romney on 60 minutes last night? He is going to do away with my wifes and I's only deductions of the mortgage interest. So now instead of paying 23% we are going to be paying about 28%. Do you not have any shame sir? Tom, based on your last post, it is a small part of a big problem. Birth control with all due respect is needed. But a whole other topic. How can you state enslavement when I am already enslaved by the wealthy and ideologies that got is in this big mess to begin with? It is truly amazing to me that the 8 years before obama was an abortion, but yet you folks just can't remember. Shame on who?

McCloud September 24, 2012 at 10:39 am

You really can't fix stupid.

Pam September 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm

How quickly we forget how we got into this mess of debt in the first place. Refresher...
In 1981 when Ronald Reagan took office our National Debt stood at $848 billion In 1989 when he left office it had increased to $2,698 trillion By 1993 when George H. left office it had increased to $4,188 trillion In 2001 when Clinton left office it had increased to $5,728 trillion In 2009 when George W. Bush left office it increased to $10,627 trillion Under President Obama as of today $16,053 trillion

McCloud September 24, 2012 at 12:48 pm

How quickly we neglect to recognize that congress has the Federal power to spend. Nonetheless, does any of this history excuse Obama? In your mind I'm thinking it does.

Paul September 24, 2012 at 01:24 pm

Pam, No way. We had a 200 billion surplus when clinton left. Sorry. Creative numbers once again. Mccloud, you can't handle the truth. Bush spent 10 trillion!!!
1 war that we should not have gone into. Him and his republican buddies who the banks loved lifted all regs in 2004 off, thus creating one of the biggest messes in history. Then you have romney who said, we should not bail out GM for instance. Really Mitt? Hey my right wing fools and tea partiers, if you earn less than 300,000 a year, get your wallets out. Romneys no increase in taxes also means no more dedcutions. In his little mind thats not a tax increase.

DG Guy September 24, 2012 at 01:39 pm

Paul you are confusing a budget surplus with the national debt level. When Clinton left office there was a budget that spent less than it took in for that particular year. That would have slightly decreased the national debt. There was still a large national debt. Pam's numbers are correct and you are making a popular but very basic mistake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#National_debt_for_selected_years

Paul September 24, 2012 at 01:45 pm

DGguy, yes, I agree.

McCloud September 24, 2012 at 02:27 pm

Paul you are not confused, you are just not educated.

Paul September 24, 2012 at 02:40 pm

I am very educated Mccloud. Not quite sure what you are. You have a good day Mccloud. Your a punk.

Max September 24, 2012 at 02:47 pm

"You're"

Paul September 24, 2012 at 02:54 pm

Thanks for the spelling lesson.

Paul September 24, 2012 at 02:54 pm

Rememer quale with potatoe?

Tom Koz September 26, 2012 at 12:33 pm

Remember Biden: "three letter word - J.O.B.S." !!!