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Moms Talk: Meet The Parents (And Their Kids)

What happens if you don't like your kids' friends or their parents?

Our kids introduce us to many new things as they grow older, especially if you're a new parent.

Aside from the routine changes that come with kids, there's also the social alterations we all make to accommodate them. While far from the rule, going out is likely more rare an event than it was B.C. - Before Children. And when it does happen, most of us are apt to hang out with friends or co-workers.

That's where the kids come in, as they are now our door to new people: teachers, coaches, parents and other kids.

Teachers and coaches have a job to do, and their roles are essentially limited to helping your child learn and grow. Like them or not, you live with the cards your dealt.

Other parents and kids, well, that's where things can get dicey. What if you like your kids' friends, but not their parents? What if you'd rather your kids find some new buddies, but you wouldn't mind grabbing dinner with his or her parents?

Moms, tell us your thoughts and stories about the realities of these types of relationships.

Pam Kelleher March 23, 2011 at 05:38 pm
I think this can be handled creatively so you do what is best for your child. I have friends and our kids do not play it it works. Having kids at your own house can also help.
Tammy Hirsch March 23, 2011 at 05:47 pm
I always think this is a tough one-- sometimes you really like someone and maybe you've known them forever but their parenting style doesn't jell with yours. Maybe they are too chill/borderline neglect or maybe they are too rigid and structured- it's hard to find friends whose parenting style may align directly with yours and even if it does- the parents may not be people you want to hang out with! I think that the key to situations like these is to put yourself in scenarios where everyone can win. If you know that your friends like to take their kids out three-wheeling and you come armed with the national injury statistics that is not going to be a good time. Don't be afraid to get a babysitter now and then- you need a break and your kids need you to have some sanity as well. Spend time with your friends in the settings that you enjoy them in and try to not be forced in settings where you don't enjoy them. Certainly every kid has a bad day now and then but if you kid is the one who always seems to be breaking down its time to remove them from the situation no matter how much fun you may be having.
Julie Farrell March 23, 2011 at 05:51 pm
My girls have plenty of friends who I like, but don't like their parents. In cases such as that, I foster the kids' friendships with those children, and have minimal contact with their parents. I DO always make sure their parents know when the kids are in my care, though.
That being said, my kids have plenty of "friends" who I cannot stand. More often than not, it's because of the parents. I see the children exhibiting behaviors that their parents also do (i.e. swearing, lying, cheating, bullying, etc.). In cases like that when they were younger, I would talk to the friends about it and explain that it's wrong (and why). I didn't ridicule or punish them as that's not my job. I also explained what behaviors are acceptable and what aren't in my care. Now that they're older, that's getting to be more difficult. There are more kids who have bigger, more disrespectful mouths on them, making it more difficult to explain these things. Now, I just give them the mom stare and they don't behave that way around me. So far that's been working. As for the parents, I again keep contact to a minimum. Very rarely have a seen a case where I dislike the child, but like the parents. Of course, very rarely do I dislike a child, though there have been a few....
AnnMarie Gubenko March 23, 2011 at 07:14 pm
This is a great question. Tammy and Julie, you bring up great points that I agree with. When I don't like someone that my kids are friends with, I don't tell them they can't hang out or play with them because most times it makes the desire to stronger. What I will do is really talk to my kids about what makes a good friend and what kind of kids I would like to see them play with (not specific kids, just general things like kind, loyal, cares about school and so on). I tell my kids all the time when they start hanging out with a kid that gets in trouble a lot, "If you are on the boat and it is sinking, you are going down with it. The issue of the parents being friends with each other is a challenging one because when things are going good with the kids all getting along, it can be one of the most fulfilling experiences but when things are not so good and the kids are not getting along or pulling away and finding other friends as kids often do, it feels awful.
AnnMarie Gubenko March 23, 2011 at 07:17 pm
Just wanted to add: I think as adults, if you have built a friendship on genuine like for each other and would be friends even if your kids weren't involved, your friendship will withstand the ups and downs of the kids' friendships and planning things without the kids is a good way to maintain the friendship. Realizing that the fluctuations in kids' relationships isn't personal is key, too. If it is personal, it is better to stay out of it and let them work it out. That is so much easier said than done but once the parents get involved, the adult friendship can become strained or suffer. It was so much easier when the kids were little and you decided who they played with and most times, it was because you liked the other kid's mom so you could have a little "playdate" yourself.
kerry mansour March 23, 2011 at 07:36 pm
I guess we've been fortunate in that this hasn't been too much of an issue for us. With our oldest just now getting involved in school and extracurricular friendships, we've been able to socialize with our own friends and their children, and our kids happily go along with it. It HAS come up with family members, at large family gatherings, where some of our family members parent very differently than we do, and my kids don't even want to play with their kids. And of course they don't see it. But fortunately EVERYONE else does :) So at family parties, it's tolerable, but we don't socialize with them individually, for just that reason.
Now, if there are kids at our house playing and their parents are not around, I have no problem with suggesting alternatives to behavior we don't allow in our home. Maybe it's the teacher in me. And so far, at this age, there haven't really been any issues...the other children are responsive. But all of this does lead me to an issue that I have trouble with--others, especially family members (often without children of their own), "correcting" my children in my home, while I am right there. For example, we may have someone over for dinner, and my boys aren't fans of what we are eating. I'd prefer our guests not interfere in the ensuing discussion (and possible fight) that is sure to occur...my husband and I can handle it, thankyouverymuch! I know they think they are helping, but, all it does is get ME fired up.
AnnMarie Gubenko March 23, 2011 at 07:47 pm
Kerry, nothing bugs me more than when others yell at or tell my kids what to do when I am standing right there. I would never do that to someone else's kids so I don't want it done to mine.
Julie Farrell March 23, 2011 at 07:47 pm
AnnMarie, you're so right on with this one! It's exactly why I try to keep my kids' friends parents at somewhat of a distance, though.
Julie Farrell March 23, 2011 at 07:49 pm
Oh. My. Gosh! I honestly don't think it gets any more rude than that! I could see maybe if you're kids were getting out of hand and you weren't handling it....but they have to at LEAST give you a chance to handle it, for one. For two, they're in YOUR home....end of story.
kerry mansour March 23, 2011 at 07:57 pm
yes, I agree! But, as I said, it's often people who do not have children, and they just don't see it the same way--they THINK they are helping me. And not only does it frustrate me, during an already tense situation, but I also think it makes my kids feel confused and ganged up on. Ugh.
Dan Campana March 23, 2011 at 08:45 pm
Thanks for the great dialogue on today's topic. My wife and I have a six-year-old who is making fast friends at school and through his sports, so this is really something we're encountering a lot these days.
jim campbell March 24, 2011 at 03:55 pm
My kids are in their 20s, but they grew up in GE, so my thoughts on this subject may be stale, but at least GE Patch-worthy. . . On the other hand, I'm not a mom, so I hope that's OK for "Mom Talk." ;^p
Making intelligent early childhood friendships are essential to your kids' developmental years. My wife and I were often surprised how one child might be the sweetest thing, but had parents we didn't appreciate, while another might be a terror (or bad influence) with a mom and dad we loved. In the end, it comes down to how you want your kids to be influenced by their friends, AND, interestingly enough, their parents, as your kids will spend time with them in their homes while you're not there. Having made some poor friend choices myself as a kid and teen, I knew the importance of good friendships and made sure to talk honestly with my kids about sensible friend-selection -- even as young as four and five. Honesty and truth go a long way with kids, especially when delivered with an ample dose of love. Actually this honesty methodology was initialized at much earlier ages than we expected when, much to our astonishment, our kids encountered racism, violent behavior, thievery and even a propensity for parents to allow kids to watch adult-themed programming and movies at their homes -- and these were families we thought we knew. From toddler through teens, we've always been honest about right and wrong, then trusted them to make good choices. Thankfully, for us, it worked.
Julie Farrell March 24, 2011 at 04:05 pm
Jim, ANY and all comments are welcome on Mom Talk. We (well, me anyway) LOVE hearing all the different viewpoints on these things, thanks for contributing!
It's really all that we as parents can do to be honest, teach them honesty, integrity, respect, and critical thinking....then hope and pray.
Matthew Hendrickson March 24, 2011 at 05:12 pm
Great comment, Jim! Thanks for participating. Mom Talk is for anyone, regardless of its name!
jim campbell March 24, 2011 at 05:14 pm
Thanks, Julie. I nearly feel like one of the gals!
I want to respond to your "teach . . . then hope and pray" point. One important thing I left out: Teaching your kids HAS to be a two-way street. As early an age as possible, you want your kids to know that you're open enough be taught by them, too. It's a wonderful feeling to be the prime influencer in your kids' lives when they are very young/pre-teen. Oftentimes, it seems they almost worship your intellect and standing -- like you can do no wrong. But as we all know, hormonal development and environment/friend choices can change all that at adolescence. I highly recommend a parent be WIDE open to learning from their kids before adolescence. This allows them to see that you are NOT to be worshiped, you are a human who can make mistakes and, yes, even learn from a child. This is helpful when at 13 your teen comes home and pronounces that a friend has suggested a new way of thinking on a subject that differs from what you've taught -- basically saying "My friend's right and you're wrong." Rather than this being a shocking breach of the system, you can sit with your teen and rationally discuss it with them -- let them convince you that the friend is right and you are wrong, rather than vice versa. Profoundly different parenting style that works wonders. We started this method at about age 8 or 9. Basically said, "Grousing won't work, you need to teach me why I should change my opinion." We all learned a lot. . . still do!
Julie Farrell March 24, 2011 at 06:18 pm
Right on, Jim! I learn new things from my daughters every day and am pretty sure that's going to increase as they get older and smarter.
jim campbell March 24, 2011 at 06:57 pm
Awesome, Julie. Be sure to let her know she's teaching you. It makes it more fun and encourages her to do it more.
Love, love, love this topic. Why can't we be paid to be parents? Best job in the world!
Julie Farrell March 25, 2011 at 01:38 pm
Thanks, Jim. I certainly do. I made it a point a long time ago to let them see that I don't know everything. When they'd ask me a question that I didn't know the answer to, I'd direct them to someone who probably would. Then they'd let me know what the answer was. Otherwise, we'd research it online. I also showed them how to determine what a viable source is and what isn't one, that's helped a TON in researching.
Best and worst at the same time, Jim....but the rewards FAR outweigh the risks. Wow, that would be really nice if we could just make parenting our only full-time jobs, lol.

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